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Can new Ohio State QB commit beat recent odds?

Joey Burrow is on track to buck one trend but Ohio State fans will be happier to see him turn another of its head in the future.

Burrow, a four-star prospect from Athens, verbally committed Tuesday and is set to become (in February) the first Southeast Ohio signee since Drew Basil of Chillicothe in 2010 and the 10th Buckeye recruit from the region going back to Buster Howe in the class of 1988.

But maybe more daunting is the recent quarterback legacy he is signing up for. Continue reading

Ohio State 2014 NFL Draft recap

Ohio State had six players chosen in the 2014 NFL Draft, including a pair of first-rounders after only having a total of one first-rounder in the previous four drafts combined.

Ryan Shazier talks to reporters in Columbus
Ryan Shazier talks to reporters in Columbus

The draft marks the end of the line for the 2009 recruiting class, which became the second Ohio State recruiting class since 1999 to produce zero first-round picks, joining the ’08 class. Both of those were rated top five classes by Scout.com. The ’09 class, which was ranked No. 1 in the nation, can brag of more overall draft picks (six — Reid Fragel, Carlos Hyde, Corey Linsley, Jack Mewhort, Jonathan Newsome and John Simon) than the ’08 class (Mike Adams, DeVier Posey, Terrelle Pryor), which was ranked No. 4.

Newsome, a four-star recruit from Cleveland Glenville, transferred to Ball State and as near as I can tell is only the second player to sign with Ohio State since 1987, transfer out and still get drafted. Brandon Underwood is the other. Underwood signed in 2004 and finished his career as a Cincinnati Bearcat. That is out of 75 players.

The 2010 and ’11 classes are already assured of avoiding the fate of the two groups that immediately preceded them as they were represented respectively this year by Bradley Roby and Ryan Shazier.

Here’s a rundown of all of the picks:  Continue reading

Weekend in review: Talkin’ draft, draft draft

The second weekend in May was no ordinary one as the NFL draft brought nearly nonstop news beginning Thursday night.

The biggest news in Ohio was, of course, the Browns’ decision to draft Johnny Manziel in the first round on Thursday night. Manziel is a lightning rod who has excited the fanbase, but he probably won’t be handed the starting job by new head coach Mike Pettine. The Texas tornado will arrive in town to find a potential hometown hero in Cleveland’s own Brian Hoyer, who energized the fanbase himself for a few briefs weeks last season before blowing out his knee. What does the former Cleveland St. Ignatius Wildcat have to say? “Bring it on.”  Continue reading

Ohio State NFL draft first round notes

After a two-year drought, Ohio State had two first-round picks in the 2014 NFL draft as Ryan Shazier went 15th to the Pittsburgh Steelers and Bradley Roby went 31st to the Denver Broncos. The last time two Buckeyes were taken in the first round was 2009, when Malcolm Jenkins went to the Saints and Beanie Wells went to the Cardinals.

Shazier is 21st Buckeye picked by Steelers and the fifth in the past five years.

Ryan Shazier talks to reporters in Columbus
Ryan Shazier talks to reporters in Columbus

Last: Mike Adams, OT, 24th pick of the second round (56th overall). Other recents: DE Cameron Heyward, DE Thaddeus Gibson (who moved to LB) and DE Doug Worthington. Four of the five play on the defensive side of the ball, where former Ohio State star halfback Dick LeBeau is the long-time coordinator. First: Jack Dugger, end, 1st pick of second round in 1945.

Shazier is the 48th linebacker from Ohio State chosen in the common era (1967-present). First: Nick Roman, Bengals, 10th round 1970.

He is the ninth Ohio State linebacker picked in the first round. First: Rick Middleton, who went 13th overall to the Saints. The Broncos picked Randy Gradishar one pick later.

Shazier is the first player drafted from Jim Tressel’s last recruiting class, signed in 2011 and ranked No. 3 in the nation. He was the 13th Tressel Ohio State signee to be picked in the first round. Continue reading

Browns GM on Teddy Bridgewater’s pro day

Props to Ray Farmer of the Cleveland Browns for bringing a little sanity to the discussion regarding Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater, who for my money looked like the most pro-ready QB in the country last season but has been the subject of much debate in what has been the silliest draft season I can remember.

Part of the narrative has included Bridgewater’s draft day, which was described as only average (with the understanding that such things are set up to be outstanding almost by default because of ideal circumstances) by the NFL Network’s Mike Mayock, whose opinions I respect more than just about anybody in the business.

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Contemplating competition for Andy Dalton

In his “10 players to watch at the 2014 NFL Combine” for the National Football Post, Dave Miller compares former Alabama quarterback AJ McCarron to Andy Dalton, saying that he has a chance to have a beginning of a career similar to the Bengals quarterback. That’s an interesting way to put it I would say because Dalton’s early career has been very admirable. The big question now is where he and the Bengals go from here.

Better quarterbacks have had great careers that didn’t start off as well as Andy Dalton, although there are other good quarterbacks especially recently who have had as good or better starts than him from a numbers perspective.

Dalton is an interesting case because he doesn’t have the physical tools that create high early expectations for somebody like a Matthew Stafford or a Cam Newton, but now he’s won enough, in part because of him and in part because the situation created by the Bengals suddenly learning now to draft over the past five years or so, that the expectations are very high just the same.

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1st-year Ohio State football coach not satisfied with talent on hand

No, not Urban Meyer.

I’m talking about John Cooper, circa 1988:

“I’ve been a little disappointed in what I’ve seen talent-wise. I know we’ve lost a lot of great players. I’m not crying the blues and I’m not trying to downplay the players we’ve got here, but I would have thought coming in here that Ohio State would have had stronger linemen. I think we’ve got some good backs and the offensive line will be good, but we need to be stronger.”

Also:

“As I’ve said before, Earle Bruce did a great job of coaching here. I’m telling you, Earle can flat coach, unless the talent here is a hell of a lot better than in the past than it is right now.”

That’s a bit more extreme than Meyer has been since he took over this past year, but I guess some things never change.

For what it’s worth, there were eight players drafted in the spring of ’88 off of Bruce’s last Ohio State team. Ten were picked in the following three drafts. Six players were drafted in 2001 after Cooper’s last season… and 27 in the three drafts after that (2002-04). 

Ohio State 2012 Draft Class Snapshot

 

A look at the four Buckeyes picked in the 2012 NFL Draft over the weekend:

Mike Adams 

  • 24th pick of second round (No. 56 overall) by the Pittsburgh Steelers
  • 20th Buckeye picked by Steelers
  • Last: Cameron Heyward, defensive lineman, 31st pick of first round in 2011
  • First: Jack Dugger, end, 1st pick of second round in 1945
  • First Ohio State offensive lineman drafted since Kirk Barton in 2008 (seventh round, 2008, Bears)
  • 20th Buckeye offensive tackle drafted since AFL-NFL draft merger in 1967 (42nd offensive lineman overall)
  • Sixth offensive lineman signed by Jim Tressel and drafted

 

DeVier Posey  

  • 5th pick of third round, 68 overall, to Houston Texans
  • Second Buckeye ever picked by Texans franchise, joining running back Jonathan Wells (first pick, fourth round, No. 99 overall, in 2002)
DeVier Posey
  • 17th Ohio State wide receiver drafted in past 20 drafts (1993-2012)
  • Total Ohio State wide receivers drafted since merger: 35
  • Last Ohio State WR drafted: Brian Hartline, eight pick of fourth round by the Miami Dolphins in 2009
  • Seventh Jim Tressel signee drafted at the position

 

Dan “Boom” Herron 

  • 21st pick of sixth round, 191 overall, to the Cincinnati Bengals
  • 16th Ohio State player selected by the Bengals, who were founded by former Ohio State head coach Paul Brown
  • Last: Jeff Cothran, fullback, first pick of third round (66 overall) in 1994. Previously that year the club used the No. 1 overall pick on defensive tackle Dan Wilkinson
  • First: Steve Howell, tight end, fifth pick in 10th round (239 overall) in 1969
  • Herron is the fourth running back or fullback picked by the Bengals. He joins Cothran, tailback Archie Griffin (24th pick in first round, 1976) and fullback Pete Johnson (21st pick of second round, 1977).
  • 32nd OSU running back or fullback since NFL-AFL merger (1967-present)
  • Last: Beanie Wells, 31st pick in first round, 2009, Arizona Cardinals
  • First: Jim Otis, 10th pick in ninth round, 1970, New Orleans Saints
  • Interviews with Herron and Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis

 

Nate Ebner

  • 27th pick in sixth round, No. 197 overall, by the New England Patriots
  • Ebner is the fifth Buckeye drafted by the Patriots since the merger
  • Last: Andy Katenmoyer, linebacker, 28th pick of first round in 1999
  • First: Pete Cusick, 14th pick of third round (No. 66 overall) in 1975
  • Others: Tim Fox, defensive back, 21st pick of the first round in 1976
  • Terry Glenn, wide receiver, seventh pick of first round in 1996
  •  He is the 49th defensive back drafted in since the merger and 26th in the past 20 years
  • Last: Jermale Hines, 27th pick of 5th round (No. 158 overall) last year by St. Louis Rams

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Evaluating Ohio State’s 2012 NFL Draft Prospects

Some quick thoughts on Ohio State’s potential NFL draftees this weekend:

Mike Adams brings a lot to the table, but there are legitimate questions about him. He has heavy hands and really can get into a guy on the edge as a run blocker and overwhelm people. He’s a good athlete who moves well, but he struggles with quickness on the edge. That’s always struck me as a surprising combination, but it’s what has played out that way over the years. To get to a good outside pass rusher, he often has to cheat outside, opening himself up inside. He is one you wonder about still being a ways away from hitting his potential because of some shoulder problems early in his career that hindered his ability to build upper body strength and the abbreviated senior year.

Then there are questions about his decision making starting with his getting wrapped up in the NCAA illegal benefits scandal then leading all the way up to the recent news he failed a drug test at the NFL combine. No matter your viewpoint of marijuana use, it’s clearly prohibited by the NFL and his inability to at the very least plan around the testing time period makes one wonder what he was thinking.

I don’t doubt that he did well in interviews with teams because he’s a very nice kid who comes off humble and thoughtful in conversations. He comes across as smart, and I can’t recall many situations where he appeared to make a mental error on the field. I would say he’s a wild card going into this draft because teams are going to have any number of different viewpoints on his mix of upside and question marks.

I’m not sure if Adams is a left tackle in the NFL, but he could definitely be a long-time starter on the right side even though he’ll need to continue to get stronger over there.

He’s a good to great value in the second round to me.

Mike Brewster has received surprisingly little fanfare in the draft process other than a trumped up competition with Mike Martin at the Senior Bowl. He did not have a great combine, but he’s got almost 50 games on film in college football to show he can play the position. He’s got good size to play inside, although he struggled with most of the elite tackles in the Big Ten over the past couple of years. He sometimes got off a step late or failed to get leverage and suffered the consequences of being unable to root out the oncoming rusher. He put on weight prior to last season and talked about improving his base and ability to anchor, but I’m not sure if he made all the progress he was hoping for. He’s a good athlete who can get to the second level and seal off linebackers, and he’s obviously a heady guy who has handled reading defenses and making line calls for the better part of four years and done well. Tough guy who finishes blocks and has a bit of a nasty streak.

Also brings exceptional leadership, intelligence and a strong personality to the locker room. Another good value in the second or third round.

DeVier Posey is an intriguing guy who will go lower than his physical skills would generally dictate. He never reached his college potential for two reasons: multiple cases of taking illegal benefits that led to NCAA violations and issues with catching the football. He gets in and out of breaks pretty well, has a good, smooth acceleration and jumps well enough to go up and get the ball. He can use his body for position, too. But he drops too many passes that are in his hands, something he has attributed to concentration lapses. Those followed him to the Senior Bowl, contributing to a lower draft grade.

He has better tools than Brian Robiskie, who was overdrafted in the second round, and Brian Hartline, who was underdrafted in the fourth round, so it will be interesting to see where he falls. Posey certainly could be a good No. 2 receiver if he overcomes the hands issue. He might go earlier than draft experts think because I’m sure he interviewed well, perhaps alleviating concerns about his decision making in the NCAA cases. He’s another guy who was a delight to deal with in the interview room.

Dan Herron is deceptively strong for his size and more quick than fast. Does not have a top-end gear to go the distance, but can get behind blockers and find creases. Generally finishes runs strong and falls forward. Reads holes well in a gap scheme when he can make one cut and bounce. Despite NCAA violations, he was always a popular guy in the locker room and is regarded as a strong leader. I don’t know if he will get drafted in a league obsessed with measurables, but he’ll certainly be in camp with someone and could make a team if he ends up in the right situation. Should be able to contribute on special teams (coverage, not as a return man) as well, giving his chances a boost.

I have always felt Andrew Sweat was an underappreciated player. He compares favorably with Ross Homan, who was picked in the sixth round last year. Both are instinctual guys who run well enough and make a fair number of plays. Unfortunately, both struggled to stay healthy in college and that certainly hurt their stock. I think Sweat is a little more physical than Homan.

2012 NFL Combine Numbers for Buckeyes

2012 Ohio State NFL Combine numbers 

DeVier Posey (6-1.5, 211): 

  • 40-yard dash time: 4.5 seconds
  • Benched 225 lbs: 14 reps
  • Vertical: 36.5 inches
  • Broad jump: 123.0 inches
  • 3-cone drill: 7.03 seconds
  • 20-yard shuttle: 4.15 seconds

Of note:

  • 40 time was tied with Danny Coale of Virginia Tech for 15th among WRs
  • 10’3″ broad jump was 10th among WRs.
  • 4.15 20-yard shuttle was tied for 12th with Coale and Gerell Robinson of Arizona State.

Dan Herron (5-10, 213): 

  • 40: 4.66 seconds
  • Bench: 22 reps
  • Vertical: 35.0 inches
  • Broad jump: 117.0 inches
  • 3-cone: 6.97 seconds
  • 20-yard shuttle: 4.04 seconds
  • 60-yard shuttle: 11.6 seconds

Of note:

  • 7th among RBs in bench
  • 12th in vertical and broad
  • 6th in 3-cone
  • No. 2 in 20-yard shuttle behind Chris Rainey of Florida (3.93)
  • 5th in 60-yard shuttle

Mike Brewster (6-4 1/8, 312): 

  • 40 time: 5.35
  • Bench: 29 reps
  • Vertical: 25.0 inches
  • Broad jump: 96.0
  • 3-cone drill: 7.73 seconds
  • 20-yard shuttle: 4.6 seconds

Of note:

  • 29 reps in bench press ranked 13th among offensive linemen
  • 7.73 seconds in 3-cone drill was 15th among OL
  • 4.6 in 20-yard shuttle 6th

Mike Adams (6-7, 323): 

  • 40: 5.4 seconds
  • Bench: 19 reps
  • Vertical: 28.5 inches
  • Broad jump: 100.0 inches
  • 3-cone drill: 7.94 seconds
  • 20-yard shuttle: 4.95 seconds

Of note: 19 bench press reps worse than five wide receivers and 14 running backs, including Herron (22)